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Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.12 20:20:00 - [1] And? I'm not shocked, appalled or mildly outraged, disgusted or even saddened by this. This doesn't suprise me in the slightest. Hell, I've known people that young who... ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.12 21:02:00 - [2] Originally by: Weeman Quote: The girl today told a national newspaper how she was "really excited" to be having a baby. Her mother said she was "proud" of her daughter. I think that last bit shows how **** up society is. Anyone who's proud of their kid for getting done at 11 should be shot. In your opinion. Out of interest, what makes your opinion more valid than hers? ______________________ Originally by:** Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.12 21:22:00 - [3] Originally by: Weeman Originally by: Raven Aure Originally by: Weeman Quote: The girl today told a national newspaper how she was "really excited" to be having a baby. Her mother said she was "proud" of her daughter. I think that last bit shows how **** up society is. Anyone who's proud of their kid for getting done at 11 should be shot. In your opinion. Out of interest, what makes your opinion more valid than hers? Because youre a pedantic dip. Like Calisto said, have you even thought about the kid? Yes. I'm just making a point that we all have different value structures and beliefs. If the girl is really excited, then good on her and she should have all the support possible. ______________________ Originally by:** Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.12 21:53:00 - [4] Originally by: Baldour Ngarr Originally by: Raven Aure I'm just making a point that we all have different value structures and beliefs. And you'd generally be right, but this story involves a person - the baby - whose opinion is unknown, and the state, and/or society generally, has a moral duty to consider what's best for the baby. It's generally accepted that having a 12-year-old mother is not best for them. First off, I have a problem with morals and here's why: moral# adjective: arising from the sense of right and wrong Right and wrong implies that someone is making a judgement - in this case state and/or society. Yet for something to be absolutely right or absolutely wrong in all situations, you would have to have an absolute judgement. Your judgement or state/socitey's judgement is based on a point of view. The soon to be mother is basing her feelings on her point of view. I still don't see how a "generally accepted" belief makes something "right" in the absolute. Absolute judgement dicates a supreme being capable of making this judgement in impartiality - traditionally a diety. I may be wrong but, unless you're a diety, it's just my point of view. ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.12 22:53:00 - [5] Originally by: Jack Amarr raven, people find it wrong morraly bmainly because this sort of thing is illegal! thats right your not allowed to make a kid pregnant, its just not legal! also the 11 year old girl doesn'r obviously understand the responsability of having a baby and the sheer impossibility or raising it correctly at the age of 11, i can bet that this girls mum will be left to look after it, and it will most likely lead the same sort of life as its mother. a baby needs to be brough up in a stable home in a stable situation, being raised by someone who isn't even in there teens, is NOT stable. the only person who will suffer the most is the baby. So what you're saying is that the law is the absolute judgement from which we should define our morals? And again, it is your opinion that the 11 year old does not understand. I can't stress this point enough, you're making assumptions about the person here. Probability may be in your favour, but it's an assumption none the less. ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.12 23:48:00 - [6] Originally by: Jenny Spitfire Are you all still surprise to read this? Think if you look around, fashion companies are already selling mature clothings to 10 years old. Think children are "made" more mature these days. I wouldnt be surprised that 5 years from now, 7 years old will be wearing mini-skirts. That I've already seen. And in a Pizza Hut no less. ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.13 14:04:00 - [7] Edited by: Raven Aure on 13/05/2006 14:03:44 Originally by: Psychopat WTF is a chav ? Some wholesome linkage for you. ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.13 14:27:00 - [8] Originally by: Tarquin Tarquinius Edited by: Tarquin Tarquinius on 13/05/2006 14:18:04 Originally by: Raven Aure Edited by: Raven Aure on 13/05/2006 14:03:44 Originally by: Psychopat WTF is a chav ? Some wholesome linkage for you. So it's basically the equal to "white trash" or "trailer trash" in the US Good to know Not quite: Originally by: Wikipedia Though "chav" has similarities to American terms such as "white trash" and "trailer trash", it does not bear the racial overtones of its American counterparts ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.13 16:03:00 - [9] Edited by: Raven Aure on 13/05/2006 16:03:00 Originally by: LWMaverick Ahem ... mi mi mi mi mi... DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111111111111111oneelven!11twentyone I'll call my ex institution. Just... don't.... move.... ______________________ Originally by:* Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.13 18:04:00 - [10] Originally by: Nyphur In some parts of the world, this is commonplace. And indeed encouraged. I tried making the point in the lower half of page 1 that different people have different value structures and beliefs. I got a little flamed for it I completely agree with you. And to follow it on - why is this society's opinion that it's not a good thing more valid than theirs? ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.13 18:58:00 - [11] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Raven Aure I completely agree with you. And to follow it on - why is this society's opinion that it's not a good thing more valid than theirs? It isnt but people like to think the group they belong to is the right one and unfortunately a lot of people get the wrong idea that for this to happen, all other groups must be wrong. I wub you..... ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.13 21:58:00 - [12] Originally by: Amataras Originally by: Psycarne Originally by: Psychopat WTF is a chav ? The spawn of Thatcherite economics. Though I agree in part, I would say they are created by the encroachement of American consumerism in Britain, destroying our traditions, culture and society. No Chav feels any connection to their community anymore, merely a drive to atain materialist perfection. Thus their anti-social behaviour towards other non-chavs. Isn't that a chav community which they thus feel a connection to then? ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.14 00:26:00 - [13] Originally by: Amataras Originally by: Raven Aure Originally by: Amataras Originally by: Psycarne Originally by: Psychopat WTF is a chav ? The spawn of Thatcherite economics. Though I agree in part, I would say they are created by the encroachement of American consumerism in Britain, destroying our traditions, culture and society. No Chav feels any connection to their community anymore, merely a drive to atain materialist perfection. Thus their anti-social behaviour towards other non-chavs. Isn't that a chav community which they thus feel a connection to then? Yes, a 'sub-culture'. They function amongst their own kind but are at odds with greater society. Their sub-culture's relationship with greater society is actively hostile, thus their anti-social behaviour. Sorry, was being pedantic over semantics. I do see your point and I do agree with you. I'm going to bed.... ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.14 13:13:00 - [14] Originally by: HippoKing and there was me thinking someone had just **ed in the genepool Wait, which one of us were you talking about (and why?)? ______________________ Originally by:** Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.14 16:35:00 - [15] Originally by: Hellraiza666 This Is A Chav Though I don't think people who don't already know what a chav is will find it that funny. ______________________ Originally by: Jim McGregor Most people are in write-mode only in these forums 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron OMGHI2U Kieron - Eshtir Eshtir, you stole my colour! - Vanamonde I wanna play - Petwraith
Raven Aure	Posted - 2006.05.14 23:41:00 - [16] Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Gamer4liff Originally by: Nyphur Originally by: Gamer4liff This alone almost makes me glad I live in america. Where incidences of this are even higher and the youngest mother was allegedly aged 5 (some kind of growth problem). Yeah well atleast it wasn't intentional. Here is a little known secret. In order for a girl to get pregnant, barring artificial incemination, she has to have sex. You can't accidentally get pregnant because you can't accidentally have sex. But you can be "had" by the mods.... (new sig) ______________________ 106 days and still a hijack virgin... Cherry popped! ~kieron Kieron... I have some bad news...

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